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Thin Mini-ITX Motherboard Overview [Updated APR 2022]

THIN MINI-ITX

Primarily the Thin Mini-ITX form-factor and its motherboards are targeted at the business-oriented All-in-One (AIO) market but are also used in embedded systems, digital signage and the like.  They typically have LVD/eDP/LCD panel drivers built-in also and have slightly higher pricing because of this and other embedded features such as a single DC power supply input (which facilitates a smaller case).

BACKGROUND

The Intel Q series motherboard chipsets support the Intel vPro/AMT remote management with KVM over IP (or iKVM) functionality built into the CPU/chipset combination.  This is very convenient for administrators.  For example, with the correct configuration, you can watch a full reboot and manage the BIOS, install a new OS all remotely. http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Intel_Active_Management_Technology

CASE

Typically Thin Mini-ITX cases are smaller based on the thinness of the motherboard, its low profile components and the requirement to use an external power supply that provides a single DC power supply to the motherboard.  These specially designed Thin Mini-ITX cases can be got on Aliexpress, eBay, and Amazon and since they are smaller they can be cheaper around $85 USD or less (inc shipping) than some local suppliers (Australia in mind).  A specific example is the Silverstone PT13 with a Silverstone Nitrogen Series NT07-115X cooler.
Russian video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfnkU_Q-BHY

Rear I/O Plate

Due to the "Thin" aspect, the thickness of the Thin Mini-ITX specification the rear I/O shield has been reduced in height only from 44mm to 25mm.

All in One (AIO) Cases

One of the primary markets for Thin Mini -ITX is the all-in-one market where the PC is hidden inside or behind the screen.
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Cooling

You can use these known low profile heatsink/coolers (<=27mm height) such as these:
Silverstone NT07-115X
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=442&area=en
I have found this one to be the best but a little more expensive.
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Silverstone NT07-115X (only 27mm tall)
 
ID-Cooling IS Series / IS-20i http://www.idcooling.com/Product/detail/id/24/name/IS-20i (The limitation is this one has a <45W TDP max)
Perhaps other brands also have suitable heatsinks available but please be very careful of the height being a max thickness is specified as 27mm.  From experience, I have found several that are only a few millimetres more that do not work in some Thin Mini-ITX cases.
 

The original cooler

The original Intel Thin Mini-ITX specification required the use (or specifically the support for use) of this heatsink hence the edge of board CPU location in the motherboard layout, However, as later generation CPU's have become lower in power consumption this is now less important:
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Original Intel Professional Thin Mini-ITX Specification Heatsink
 
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The Thin Mini-ITX Platform (Form-Factor) in a picture
 
Note: Refer to the SYSTEM DESIGN GUIDE REFERENCES below.

Rack mounting

There are many 1U rack cases that can also be used with a Thin Mini-ITX motherboard https://www.mini-itx.com/store/category?type=case&rack=1&volume=over-0&drive-bays=over-0&sortby=price&page=1
 
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A rack mount example
 

Other cases

An alternative case with more space for additional cards or whatever. http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/Cases/Mini_ITX/47964-PT12B?gclid=CMm3mNuZ58kCFVgkvQodKsIKmA This style of case is also useful for an HTPC.

 

Storage

The boot drive is usually an SSD these days

Most (early) Thin Mini-ITX motherboards usually have either a Mini-PCIe PCB SATA mount or (later) an M.2 type-B (aka NGFF) SATA or an M.2 type-M NVME (PCIe 2x/4x) PC mount, rarely you will find two of these options are available.  Then if you need larger storage sizes they may possibly be supplemented with a 2.5" HDD/SSD of a larger size if the specific case allows for that.

 

 

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SATA SSDs Options: Mini-PCIe SATA or mSATA (left), M.2 2242 (not shown) 2260, 2280 SATA, 2.5" SATA
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NVME SSD M.2 Type-M 2280, Type-B(+M) 2242, 2260, 2280 SATA drive, Mini-PCIe SATA (mSATA)
 


Mounting a SATA HDD/SSDs inside one of the small cases

Many Thin Mini-ITX (also applies to Mini-SFX) cases have limited space for hard drives and solid-state drives. This limited space may mean you need to use special low profile and thin SATA cables to connect to the motherboard.  Here are some examples:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HDEBGSQ/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DLWQPJI/
Note: The number and layout of the SATA sockets on the motherboard, where they need to run to inside the specific case limitations and the number of SATA hard drives you will need to install will all determine the particular choices so they don't interfere with each other's adjacent space.  Typically normal SATA cables will be insufficient for use in many of the smaller cases.
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Using a very slimline SATA cable may be necessary in the Thin Mini-ITX slim height-restricted cases.

POWER SUPPLY

Another thing you need to consider is that many of these motherboards run on 19V and you need an HP/DELL connector style 90-150W with an external power brick with the proper connector on the end.  Some even use alternative power inputs not defined in the Intel System Design Guide (as below).  For example, Gigabyte boards can run on 12-19V and use a more conventional 2.1mm (ID) x 5.5mm (OD) DC input power socket rather than the 7.4mm (OD) x 5.0mm (Inner D) + Inner Pin (0.6mm) DELL/HP style.  
 
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Others are supplemented by onboard Molex style power connectors usually with strict rules about NOT supplying both power inputs from different power sources (refer to their manuals). 
 
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Some others may break away from the standard and use 20Pin ATX connectors and can often still be supplied from a single rail power supply via a small switchmode adapter,  Something like one of the many options available here http://www.mini-box.com/DC-DC.
 

THIN MINI-ITX SYSTEM DESIGN GUIDE REFERENCES

CPU & Motherboard Combinations

In the initial specification, the Thin Mini-ITX motherboards used any of the Intel Series 2 and 3 CPU's listed below.  However, only some of them have the vPro functionality built-in (check them on the Intel ark website).
 

Intel Socket 1155 motherboards and the series 2 & 3 CPUs

The only first series Thin Mini-ITX motherboards I am aware of that supported Intel vPro:
 
And then there are these Gigabyte none-vPro B75 & H77 chipset thin-Mini-ITX boards:
 
 
Missing in action are Asus, MSI, ASRock and others but these were early days for the form factor.
 

LGA1155 2nd Generation CPUs (Sandy Bridge 32nm)

#i5 & i7 4 Core & 4 or 8 Thread (i7-2600S,i5-2400S,i5-2500T,i5-2500S)   < 65W TDP All vPro i5-2400S $150 65W TDP $237 ao3.com.au NEW

LGA1155 3rd Generation CPUs (Ivy Bridge 22nm)

#E3 Xeon 4 Core & 8 Thread (Like i7 but SOME HAVE NO ONBOARD GRAPHICS) (E3-1265Lv2,E3-1265L,E3-1260L) $558/$573 #i7 4 Core & 8 Thread (i7-3770S,i7-3770T,i5-3570S,i5-3550S,i5-3570T,i5-3470S,i5-3475S) All VPro <65W TDP #i5 4 Core & 4 Thread i5-3470S $350 65W TDP $263 ao3.com.au NEW i5-3475S $200 65W TDP $243 ao3.com.au NEW (same as 3470s but better on-board video) i5-3570T $400 45W TDP $442 ao3.com.au NEW i7-3770S $350 65W TDP $418 ao3.com.au NEW #i5 2 Core & 4 Thread i5-3470T $200 35W TDP (2core/4threads)

Intel Socket 1150 motherboards and series 4 & 5 CPUs

These two are the only motherboards I am aware of that do everything the older Intel vPro one does.
And then there are these: Asus, Gigabyte, ECS, MSI and Wibtek also do NONE-vPro H81, H87 & H97 chipset thin-Mini-ITX boards like:

Other onboard CPU (SoC) options here:

 

LGA1150 4th Generation CPUs (Haswell 22nm)

#E3 Xeon 4 Core & 8 Thread (some without onboard graphics )
  • (E3-1230Lv3,E3-1230L,E3-1240Lv3,E3-1240L,E3-1265Lv3,E3-1265L,E3-1275Lv3,E3-1275L)
  • (E3-1265Lv4,E3-1265L,E3-1285Lv4,E3-1285L) (with onboard graphics)
#i7 4 Core & 8 Thread
  • (i7-4790S,i7-4770S)                                All vPro <65W TDP
  • (i7-4790T,i7-4785T,i7-4770T,i7-4765T)   All vPro <35-45W TDP
#i5 4 Core & 4 Thread (i5-4690S,i5-4670S,i5-4570S,)  All vPro <65W TDP i5-4590S New $265 AUD NewEgg (i5-4690T,i5-4670T,i5-4590T,)  All vPro <35-45W TDP #i5 2 Core & 4 Thread (i5-4570T,i5-4570TE) All vPro 35W TDP
 
 

LGA1150 5th Generation CPUs (Broadwell 14nm)

Note: Most of the 5th Generation CPUs can only be found in a limited range of low power mobile BGA CPUs (Ball Grid Array CPUs used in AIO, NUCs, embedded or mobile devices).   https://ark.intel.com/products/codename/38530/Broadwell#@desktop
There were only two hard to find socket capable desktop CPUs but notably both were low power none-vPro versions (possibly never released in retail versions):
 
Here is the limited range of LGA1150
#i7 4 Core & 8 Thread
  • i7-5775C    none-vPro 37W TDP
#i5 4 Core & 4 Thread
  • i5-5675C   none-vPro 37W TDP

Intel Socket 1151 motherboards and the 6 & 7 series CPUs

(The most currently widely available at June 2018)

 
Intel Socket 1151 and the 6th and 7th Generation CPUs support both DDR3 and DDR4 (specifically DDR3+DDR3L+DDR4).
 
These four are the only motherboards I am aware of that do everything the older Intel vPro motherboard did:
 
1. Gigabyte GA-Q170TN

Gigabyte GA-Q170TN

 

2. Asus Q170T [Note: This motherboard has no additional PCI-e  x4 or x16 slot]
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Asus Q170T/CSM
 
3. ASRock Industrial IMB-190
 
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ASRock Industrial IMB-190

 The odd ones out (that break away from the Intel Thin Mini-ITX specification)

 
4. DFI SD101/SD103-Q170
(Impressive 15 Year product availability life cycle)
Technically this motherboard does not meet the Thin Mini-ITX form factor specification, but it is similar, the reason is that the CPU location needs to be near the edge for some forms of low profile cooling (as mentioned above). However, as later generation CPU's have become lower in power consumption this is now a lot less important.  You can contrast this motherboard's "Thin" approach with the others above and also this normal Mini-ITX version https://www.dfi.com/Product/Index/158 from the same manufacturer (DFI).
 
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DFI SD101/SD103-Q170

   
ASRock, Asus, Gigabyte, ECS, Fujitsu, Wibtek, DFI and AAEON also do none-vPro H110 & H170 chipset Thin Mini-ITX motherboards like these:

Other mostly thin but not strictly Intel Thin Mini-ITX specification
These two motherboards do not meet the Thin Mini-ITX form factor specification but are similar, the primary reason is that the CPU location is not near the edge for some forms of low profile cooling options. However, these motherboards also have a full ATX power connector and no rear power socket.  And also have vertical mount DRAM SODIMM slots so it will be difficult to mount them in a thin case if at all, despite the rear I/O all being low profile like the Thin-ITX standard.  Some sites even list these items as a thin Mini-ITX motherboard but strictly speaking, they are not.

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Jetway JNF592-Q170 (more network-specific and sort of thin - read below)

Only a few H270 or Q270 Thin Mini-ITX motherboards are known of
The main reason is that the 7th gen processors will work with the 170 chipset motherboards with a BIOS update.  Warning: But be careful when selecting your CPU as you may need access to an older 6th gen CPU to perform the BIOS update prior to a successful POST upon fitting a 7th gen CPU.
 
 
5. Gigabyte MFQ27AI
 
Gigabyte MFQ27AI
6. Gigabyte MFH27AI
 
Gigabyte MFH27AI

Other Thin Mini-ITX onboard CPU (SoC) options here:

Some other options from mainly Jetway can be found here:
 
WARNING: Intel as of the LGA1151 Intel no longer allows the Xeon E3 series CPUs to also run with the desktop chipset (even without ECC). So you must use a Xeon (server) chipset motherboard.  In prior Intel chipsets you could use the Xeon CPUs with non-ECC chipsets. To be clear the new Xeon E3-1286Lv5, E3-1260Lv5, E3-1240Lv5 and E3-1235Lv5 (and later iterations) cannot be used unless on a server chipset motherboard.

LGA1151 6th Generation CPUs (Sky Lake 14nm)

#i7 4 Core & 8 Thread
  • i7-6700                             vPro 65W TDP
  • (i7-6700T,i7-6700TE)  All vPro <35W TDP
#i5 4 Core & 4 Thread
  • (i5-6500,i5-6600)                        All vPro <65W TDP
  • (i5-6500T,i5-6500TE,i5-6600T)  All vPro <35-45W TDP
LGA1151 7th Generation CPUs (Kaby Lake 14nm)

#i7 4 Core & 8 Thread
  • i7-7700    vPro 65W TDP
  • i7-7700T  vPro 35W TDP (25W Configurable)
#i5 4 Core & 4 Thread
  • (i5-7500,i5-7600)     All vPro <65W TDP
  • (i5-7500T,i5-7600T) All vPro <35W TDP

Intel Socket 1151-CL motherboards and series 8 & 9 CPUs

Jul 2019  - I finally got an IMB-1215 (see below)

LGA1151 8th Generation (Coffee Lake 14nm)

Intel Socket 1151-Coffee Lake* (LGA1151-CL or FCLGA1151) 8th Generation CPU's (DDR4 only)
*Note: Same physical socket but different pin-out to support a larger number of cores (Thanks to AMD competition!)


Update January 2019: A first few motherboards are starting to appear to support Intel 8th Gen (Coffee Lake CPUs)
 
ASRock
NOTE: All these ASRock motherboards unusually have a PCIe x16 slot (rather than typical x4 slot). And either 1 mini-PCIe + 1 underside M.2 Key M socket or  2 x M.2 Key M sockets 
1 x PCIe x16, 1 x mini-PCIe, 1 x M.2 Key E ,1 x M.2 Key M (bottom)
ASRock Industrial IMB-1212 (H310) 
https://www.asrock.com/ipc/overview.asp?Model=IMB-1212
ASRock Industrial IMB-1213 (Q370)
https://www.asrockind.com/overview.asp?Model=IMB-1213
1 x PCIe x16, 1 x M.2 Key E , 2 x M.2 Key M (all on top)
ASRock Industrial IMB-1214 (H310)
https://www.asrockind.com/overview.asp?Model=IMB-1214
ASRock Industrial IMB-1215 (Q370)
https://www.asrockind.com/overview.asp?Model=IMB-1215
IMB-1215(L1)
ASROCK US IMB-1215
 (notice the CPU is not near the rear edge like the original Mini-ITX Thin Specs required).

Orders here:
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asrock-industrial-imb-1215-intel-q370-s1151-ddr4-sodimm-sata3-dual-m2-2x-gbe-4x-com-usb31-g1-a-thin
https://www.thekeykey.com/detail/IMB-1215/?name=226727
https://technologynews.site/2018/02/28/asrock-presents-the-first-boards-with-q370-h370-and-h310-chipsets/

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Gigabyte
Gigabyte Q370 Industrial board GA-IMB370TN-GSM PLUS
Gigabyte H310 Industrial board GA-IMB310TN-GSM PLUS

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-IMB310TN-rev-10#ov
Starting to show up May 2019 https://www.pc-canada.com/item/GA-IMB370TN.html

ASUS
PRIME-H310T-CSM https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-H310T-CSM/
PRIME-H310T https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-H310T/
PRIME-H310T-R2-0-CSM https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-H310T-R2-0-CSM/
PRIME-H310T-R2-0 https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-H310T-R2-0/

AAEON (an ASUS associated Industrial PC co.)
MIX-Q370D1 https://www.aaeon.com/en/p/mini-itx-motherboards-mix-q370d1

DFI
CS101-H310 https://www.dfi.com/product/index/1428
CS101-Q370 https://www.dfi.com/product/index/1430
CS101-C246 is optionally available with a XEON compatible C246

Jetway
NF893-H310 https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/NF893.html

Mitac (spotted by a reader)
PH12FEI http://www.mitacmct.com/IndustrialMotherboard_PH12FEI_PH12FEI
You can get it here: https://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/2526
PH14FEI http://www.mitacmct.com/IndustrialMotherboard_PH14FEI_PH14FEI
Plus earlier generations http://www.mitacmct.com/products/industrial_motherboard#TMiTX

 
Advantech (spotted by a reader, but expensive industrial grade)
 

LGA1151 8th (& limited 9th Generation) (Coffee Lake 14nm)

Note: Coffee Lake Refresh (CFL-R, 14nm++, 9th Gen Core, October 2018)

WARNING: DO NOT TRY TO FIT THE FOLLOWING CPUs TO OLDER LGA1151 Motherboards. This will also apply to any other >=8th Generation CPUs
 
#i7/i9 8 Core & 8 or 16 Thread (increased core count to compete with AMD Ryzen)
  • i9-9900K  (8C/16T) with vPro 95W TDP*
  • i9-9900T  (8C/16T) with vPro 35W TDP (Rumoured@Early Feb 2019)
    i7-9700K  (8C/8T)   with vPro 95W TDP*
*Note: THE 95W TDPs ARE UNLIKELY TO BE SUPPORTED** by any Thin Mini-ITX boards, but with underclocking and a BIOS hack may be workable.

**Yet my IMB-1215 motherboard runs the 8C/16T i9-9900K (tested) with limitations on power consumption at 75W so its clock dynamically reduces to compensate for the lack of power and overheating (but it runs fairly noisy).
#i7 6 Core & 12 Thread (increased core count to compete with AMD Ryzen)
  • i7-8700    (6C/12T) with vPro <65W TDP
  • i7-8700T  (6C/12T) with vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
    Note: That is only approx. 6 watts per core or 4 watts configurable
#i5 6 Core & 6 Thread (sort of like old i7 models)
  • i5-8500, i5-8600       all vPro <65W TDP
  • i5-8400                     no vPro <65W TDP
  • i5-8500T, i5-8600T   all vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
  • i5-8400T                   no vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
#i3 4 Core & 4 Thread (like old i5 models)
  • i3-8100,i3-8300        No vPro <65W TDP
  • i3-8100T,i3-8300T    No vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
#Xeons

WARNING: Intel as of the LGA1151 no longer allows the Xeon E3 series CPUs to also run with the desktop chipset (even without ECC). So you must use a Xeon (server) chipset motherboard.  In prior Intel chipsets, you could use the Xeon CPUs with non-ECC chipsets. To be clear the new Xeon E3-1286Lv5, E3-1260Lv5, E3-1240Lv5 and E3-1235Lv5 (and later iterations) cannot be used unless on a server chipset motherboard (e.g. the C246 chipset).
 
Note: It appears (but not confirmed) both the Server and Desktop chipsets will support Pentium®/Celeron® Processors (but likely with only non-ECC on desktop chipsets).
 

https://ark.intel.com/products/series/88210/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-v5-Family
https://ark.intel.com/products/series/97141/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-v6-Family

ASRock has a Thin Mini-ITX with an Intel C236 Chipset that supports the (4C/8T) Xeons
ASRock IMB-X190 https://www.asrockind.com/overview.asp?Model=IMB-X190
 

Intel Socket 1200 motherboards and series 10 & 11 CPUs

Intel Socket 1200 motherboards

NOTE: THE CPU SOCKET has changed from the LGA115x Socket to the similar-sized LGA1200 Socket which is only slightly  physically different as shown in the picture below
(LGA1200 on top, LGA1151 at bottom):
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MOTHERBOARDS: AGAIN WE PLAY THE WAITING GAME
There are not many new LGA1200 Thin Mini-ITX motherboards in AUG 2020 and still so in APRIL 2022

ASRock
Once again the ASRock motherboards are out of the gate faster than the others. Unusually some of these DO NOT have a traditional PCIe slot (other than the ability to use the M.2 x4 Gen3 slot with an adapter). I guess cost and space are considerations on these boards, the ASRock industrial versions further below have a lot more expansion options and other features but will probably cost a lot more too and likely be harder to buy.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15797/new-asrock-industrial-q470-h420-and-w480-motherboards-for-intel-xeon-w-1200
 
ASRock H410TM-ITX (H410) https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/H410TM-ITX/index.asp#Specification
Note: Supports the use of ECC UDIMM memory without the error correction function
0 x PCIe x16, 0 x mini-PCIe, 1 x M.2 Key E ,1 x M.2 Key M Gen3 (top), 2 x SATA3

ASRock B460TM-ITX (B460) https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/B460TM-ITX/index.asp#Specification
Note: Supports the use of ECC UDIMM memory without the error correction function
0 x PCIe x16, 0 x mini-PCIe, 1 x M.2 Key E ,1 x M.2 Key M Gen3 (top), 2 x SATA3
Note: the B460 adds RAID1/0 support on the two SATA3 ports (B in B460 = Business) 
Apart from that, I can't see any other differences.
 
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ASROCK H410TM-ITX
Notice there are no PCIe slots at all (but the M.2 could be used with an adapter)

ASRock Industrial also has three (actually six variations due to two different input supply voltages) new motherboards, and these all DO have the traditional Thin Mini-ITX PCIe slot (x16) along with 3 other M.2 Gen3 slots also.
  •  1 x M.2 Key B (3042)  PCIe x1 for WWAN (with a SIM socket) - for mobile data
  •  1 x M.2 Key E (2230)  PCIe x1 for WiFi Module
  •  1 x M.2 Key M (2080) PCIe x4 for NVME Storage
  •  4 x Serial port headers
  • VGA header
  • LVDS display header
These are some of the most highly featured motherboards in the history of the Thin Mini-ITX form factor.  They also have very nice design layouts in my opinion.
 
ASRock IMB-1223-WV (H420Ehttps://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/IMB-1223-WV
1 x PCIe x16, 1 x M.2 Key B, 1 x M.2 Key E, 1 x M.2 Key M (All Gen3), 2 x SATA3

ASRock IMB-1222-WV (Q470E) https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/IMB-1222-WV
1 x PCIe x16, 1 x M.2 Key B, 1 x M.2 Key E, 1 x M.2 Key M (All Gen3), 2 x SATA3

ASRock IMB-X1222-WV* (W480E) https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/IMB-X1222-WV
1 x PCIe x16, 1 x M.2 Key B, 1 x M.2 Key E, 1 x M.2 Key M (All Gen3), 2 x SATA3
*This last one adds ECC memory support when a XEON (or Pentium) CPU is installed
*Beware: Other chipset motherboards DO NOT support XEONs unless they are specifically designed for XEON support (which is different to how the desktop chipsets worked in the past...refer to previous sections).

Note: the last two both also add these features:
  • PCIe x16 Bifurcation options (support riser cards in x8 / x8, x8 / x4 / x4 configurations)
  • vPRO/ATM (remote provisioning and management incl iKVM)
  • TPM security built-in (the IMB-1223 only has a header)
  • Adds a third video Display Port (but it appears they lose the VGA header)
Note: all three motherboards above have the -WV suffix variation for
supporting a Wide Voltage DC input from 12 to 28V.  This will be needed if you want to use a 19V laptop brick or run from a car (13.8V) or truck (27V) supply.
Two of them are also available with a single 12V input (presumably cheaper?) and likely slightly more efficient if you have a steady 12V supply (i.e. mini server farms):
https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/IMB-1223
https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/IMB-1222


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ASROCK IMB-1222
Notice there is a PCIe x16 slot and 3 other M.2 slots
 
WARNING: These series of motherboards are typically EXPENSIVE, especially in small numbers and will likely be hard to purchase but some have been seen to be available from industrial suppliers for around  ¥2000RMB/ $310USD / $420AUD(@Aug 2021).


Gigabyte
Gigabyte H410 Industrial board GA-IMB410TN-GSM PLUS
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-IMB410TN-rev-10#ov
(Note: the H410 is a non-vPro chipset)
1 x PCIe x16, 1 x mini PCIe (Gen2), 1 x M.2 Key E, 1 x M.2 Key M (Gen3), 2 x SATA3

Like with most industrial motherboards this will also be hard to purchase and also more expensive than OEM or consumer motherboards.  It has been seen on Taobao for around  ¥1100RMB / $170USD / $235AUD(@Aug 2021).

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Gigabyte GA-IMB410TN
Notice there is a PCIe x16 slot, a mini PCIe slot and an M.2-Type E slot  
The M.2 Type-M storage slot is on the rear

0 x PCIe x16, 0 x mini PCIe (Gen2), 1 x M.2 Key E, 1 x M.2 Key M (Gen3), 2 x SATA3
 
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Gigabyte GA-IMB410TN
Notice there is not a PCIe x16 slot, but it has an M.2-Type E slot  
and an M.2 Type-M NVME storage slot.

This motherboard has no PCIe x16 slot so any expansion would have to rely on using PCIe lanes from one of the M.2 slots with the use of an adapter.  With only 1 x Gigabit LAN port it is an unremarkable motherboard but is likely to be cheaper than most.

ASUS
ASUS PRIME H510T2/CSM (Note: the H510 chipset used is a non-vPro chipset)
https://www.asus.com/supportonly/PRIME%20H510T2CSM/HelpDesk/
0 x PCIe x16, 0 x mini PCIe (Gen2), 1 x M.2 Key E, 1 x M.2 Key M (Gen4), 1 x SATA3
This motherboard appears to be only available in OEM form and is so rare its sparse support page has no photos and has a 2-page manual only available in Chinese (@Aug 2021).  This will likely be hard to purchase but has been seen on Taobao (where the photos came from) for around  ¥800RMB / $125USD / $170AUD(@Aug 2021).


PRIME_H510T2_CSM.jpg
ASUS PRIME H510T2/CSM
Notice there is not a PCIe x16 slot, but it has an M.2-Type E slot  
and an M.2 Type-M NVME (PCIe Gen 4.0) storage slot.

This motherboard has no PCIe x16 slot so any expansion would have to rely on the PCIe lanes from one of the M.2 slots with the use of an adapter.  For a budget motherboard, it appears to have a large number of video options: 1 rear I/O access HDMI; plus another VGA rear I/O output; 1 more on the side; another via an HDMI connector header; and an LDVS header.  I would assume only 2 (from the H510 chipset specs) can be used at any one time.  With only 1 x Gigabit LAN port it is otherwise an unremarkable motherboard.

PLEASE ADD A COMMENT IF YOU KNOW OF OTHER THIN MOTHERBOARDS

LGA1200 Comet Lake (14nm+, 10th Gen Core, 2019/2020)

#i9 10 Core & 20 Thread (increased core counts to compete with AMD Ryzen)
  • i9-10900K  with vPro 125W TDP*
    *Note: THE 125 TDPs ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO BE SUPPORTED** by any Thin Mini-ITX boards, but with underclocking and a BIOS hack may be workable.
  • i9-10900    with vPro <65W TDP
  • i9-10900T  with vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
#i7 8 Core & 16 Thread (increased core count to compete with AMD Ryzen)
  • i7-10700K   with vPro 125W TDP*
    *Note: THE 125 TDPs ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO BE SUPPORTED** by any Thin Mini-ITX boards, but with underclocking and a BIOS hack may be workable.
  • i7-10700      with vPro <65W TDP
  • i7-10700T    with vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
#i5 6 Core & 12 Thread (increased core count to compete with AMD Ryzen)
  • i5-10500, i5-10600     all vPro <65W TDP
  • i5-10500T, i5-10600T all vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
  • i5-10400                     no vPro <65W TDP
  • i5-10400T                   no vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
#i3 4 Core & 8 Thread (increased core count to compete with AMD Ryzen)
  • i3-10320, i3-10300, i3-10100  No vPro <65W TDP
  • i3-10300T, i3-10100T              No vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
#Pentium 2 Core & 4 Thread, Celeron 2 Core & 2 Thread
  • G6400  No vPro <65W TDP
  • G5900  No vPro <65W TDP

#Xeons - W processors (i.e. no longer named E3 and E5 etc)

Note: These are no longer supported on desktop motherboard chipsets (see more details in the Coffee-Lake section above). However, there are a few (only one at this stage in AUG 2020) Mini-ITX thin motherboards that DO support XEONs because they have a compatible W480E chipset such as the ASRock IMB-X1222-WV (W480E)
https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/IMB-1222-WV is also 
listed above.
To refer to your XEON CPU options on that chipset, please refer to this list

LGA1200 Rocket Lake (14nm,  11th Gen Core, Q2-2021)

NOTE: INTEL CONFIRMS ITS 11TH GEN PROCESSORS WILL NOT SUPPORT BUDGET CHIPSETS LIKE H410, B460 (more info is available in the greyed block warning below).

#i9 Octo (8) Core & 16 Thread (decreased core counts from 10 in previous generation to 8)
  • i9-11900K  with vPro 125W TDP*
    *Note: THE 125W TDPs ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO BE SUPPORTED** by any Thin Mini-ITX boards, but with underclocking and a BIOS hack may be workable.
  • i9-11900    with vPro <65W TDP
  • i9-11900T  with vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
#i7 8 Core & 16 Thread
  • i7-11700K   with vPro 125W TDP (TDPc configurable to 95W)*
    *Note: THE 125W TDPs ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO BE SUPPORTED** by any Thin Mini-ITX boards, but with underclocking and a BIOS hack may be workable.
  • i7-11700      with vPro <65W TDP
  • i7-11700T    with vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
#i5 6 Core & 12 Thread
  • i5-11500, i5-11600     all vPro <65W TDP
  • i5-11500T vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
  • i5-11400                     no vPro <65W TDP
  • i5-11400T                   no vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
#i3 4 Core & 8 Thread
  • i3-11320, i3-11300, i3-11100  No vPro <65W TDP
  • i3-11300T, i3-11100T              No vPro <35W TDP (TDPc configurable to 25W)
#Pentium 2 Core & 4 Thread, Celeron 2 Core & 2 Thread
  • None Yet! Only the previous Comet Lake products exist.

#Xeons - W processors (i.e. no longer named E3 and E5 etc)

Note: These are no longer supported on desktop motherboard chipsets (see more details in the Comet Lake section above).

WARNING: Intel has confirmed that its upcoming 11th generation Rocket Lake-S processor will not be compatible with the budget H410 or B460 chipsets. According to an updated support page cited by VideoCardz, the 400-series chipsets of the company will be getting BIOS updates to assist the brand new Rocket Lake processors, while the motherboards based on Intel B460 or H410 chipsets will not be compatible with the upcoming 11th-generation Intel Core processors. The company implied that the motherboards primarily based on H470, Q470, or Z490 chipsets will be getting the support.

Note: It appears (but not confirmed) both the Server and Desktop chipsets will support Pentium®/Celeron® Processors (but likely with only non-ECC on desktop chipsets).


THE GOOD NEWS 
The newer 500 series Intel chipsets (and one might assume any motherboards based on them) are backward compatible and support both the 10th and 11th Generation Intel Core i9/ i7/ i5/ i3 processors and Intel Pentium processors/ Intel Celeron processors in the LGA1200 package.  The specific chipsets are W580 (Xeon/ECC), Q570 (vPro), Z590 (gaming), H570 (mainstream), B560 (budget), and H510 (budget).


 

Intel Socket 1200 motherboards and series 12 & 13 CPUs (Late 2021)

Intel makes a move to a combination of high-Power/high-frequency and low-power/high-Efficiency cores in a break from the previous Socket 1200 CPUs.  Referred to as P and E cores. This implies a difference for different workloads.  Hence a new Intel® Thread Director is now used to send the right workload to the right core at the right time. More information can be found here.

At an initial look, the max TDP of these new chips is very high, unlikely in many higher-end SKUs to make them good candidates for Thin Mini-ITX motherboards.  However, they can apparently run in very power efficient modes and may be suitable after all.  Refer to this article: https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/693767/put-down-your-pitchforks-intel-12th-gen-cpus-aren-t-power-hogs/ 

It will likely take some time for the motherboard vendors to work with these new chips with faster DDR 5 (they can opt to use older DDR4) and PCIe Gen 5 and with newer power configurations in the confined motherboard space of the Thin Mini-ITX form factor.

MOTHERBOARDS: YET AGAIN WE PLAY THE WAITING GAME

There are no released LGA1700 Thin Mini-ITX motherboards in APRIL 2022 that support the Intel 12/13 series CPUs.  But there is one coming soon from ASUS see below.

ASUS
An ASUSTek H610 based corporate stable model (CSM) is now out of the gate faster than the others. As reported thanks to Tazgrump in the Comments section below.
 
ASUS Pro H610T D4-CSM (H610) https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/CSM/Pro-H610T-D4-CSM/
0 x PCIe x16, 0 x mini-PCIe, 1 x M.2 Key E ,1 x M.2 Key M Gen3 (top), 2 x SATA3
     


    ASUS PRO H610T D4-CSM
    Notice there are no PCIe slots at all (but the M.2 - Key M could be used with an adapter)


    LGA1700 Alder Lake (10nm ESF Intel 7,  12th Gen Core, Q4-2021)

    NOTE: INTEL 12TH GEN PROCESSORS WILL NOT SUPPORT PREVIOUS LGA1200 MOTHERBOARDS

    #i9 16 Core (8P/8E) & 24 Threads
    • i9-12900K                   with vPro PL1 125W / PL2 241W TDP*
      *Note: THE HIGHER PL2 TDPs ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO BE SUPPORTED by any Thin Mini-ITX boards.
    • i9-12900                     with vPro 65W TDP (max burst to 202W)
    • i9-12900T                   with vPro 35W TDP (max burst to 106W)
    #i7 12 Core (8P/4E) & 20 Threads
    • i7-12700K                   with vPro PL1 125W / PL2 190W TDP*
      *Note: THE HIGHER PL2 TDPs ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO BE SUPPORTED by any Thin Mini-ITX boards.
    • i7-12700                     with vPro 65W TDP (max burst to 180W)
    • i7-12700T                   with vPro 35W TDP (max burst to 99W)
    #i5 10 Core (6P/4E) & 16 Threads
    • i5-12600K with vPro PL1 125W / PL2 150W TDP*
      *Note: THE HIGHER PL2 TDPs ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO BE SUPPORTED by any Thin Mini-ITX boards.
    • i5-12600                     with vPro 65W TDP (max burst to 117W)
    • i5-12600T                   with vPro 35W TDP (max burst to 74W)
    #i5 6 Core (6P/0E) & 12 Threads
      • i5-12600                     with vPro 65W TDP (max burst to 117W)
      • i5-12600T                   with vPro 35W TDP (max burst to 74W)
      • i5-12500                     with vPro 65W TDP (max burst to 117W)
      • i5-12500T                   with vPro 35W TDP (max burst to 74W)
      • i5-12400                     no vPro 65W TDP (max burst to 117W)
      • i5-12400T                   no vPro 35W TDP (max burst to 74W)
      #i3 4 Core (4P/0E) & 8 Threads
      • i3-12300                     no vPro 60W TDP (max burst to 89W)
      • i3-12300T                   no vPro 35W TDP (max burst to 69W)
      • i3-12100                     no vPro 60W TDP (max burst to 89W)
      • i3-12100T                   no vPro 35W TDP (max burst to 69W)

      LGA1700 Raptor Lake (10nm ESF Intel 7,  13th Gen Core, coming Q3 2022)

      • Up To 24 Cores & 32 Threads
      • Brand New Raptor Cove CPU Cores (Higher P-Core IPC)
      • Based on 10nm ESF 'Intel 7' process node
      • Supported on existing LGA 1700 motherboards
      • Dual-Channel DDR5-5600 Memory Support
      • 20 PCIe Gen 5 Lanes
      • Enhanced Overclocking Features
      • 125W PL1 TDP (Flagship SKUs)
      More info here: https://wccftech.com/roundup/intel-13th-gen-raptor-lake-cpus/

      NOW FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT
      RELATED SMALL FORM FACTOR (SFF) MOTHERBOARDS

       
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      Socket LGA 2011 R3 (also mentioned before)

      Socket LGA 2011 R3 Intel Leon processor E5-1600/2600 v3 /v4 series (Note: This is not strictly a Thin Mini-ITX motherboard)

      What about AMD's Ryzen AM4 in a Mini-ITX (thin?)

      Thin Mini-ITX AM4

      FEB 2020 - The first signs of AM4 Thin MINI-ITX motherboards show up:
      https://www.anandtech.com/show/13885/the-true-shortest-am4-motherboard-thinitx-comes-to-amd

      NOTE: APU Only - i.e. GPU enabled Ryzen/Athlon CPUs ONLY:
      The Onda B320-IPC (below), the newer ASRock A320TM-ITX and X300TM-ITX motherboards mentioned below have no obvious GPU expansion slot available. While it may be technically possible that one or more may be adapted with suitable adapter/cables into an M.2 slot it is likely that the default BIOS may struggle to support this.  Thus these motherboards officially only support the GPU enabled CPUs otherwise known as APUs.
      Refer to CPU support list here: https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/A320TM-ITX/index.asp#CPU

      CPU, APU or GPU - What?
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      Onda B320-IPC
      Note: 2 x M.2 [M+A] and no PCI-E slot and uses an LGA-115X cooler
       
      With Ryzen 3000s (AM4) there were initially no Thin Mini-ITX motherboards at around mid-2019 but then AS Rock took the brave step to create an AM4 based Thin Mini-ITX motherboard called the A320TM-ITX which loosely conforms to the Thin Mini-ITX specification (originally an Intel standard).   It also only supports GPU Enabled CPUs.
      Note: I have not been able to find any place to buy one yet though (Feb 2020).
      Except here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000355852427.html
      https://www.superbuy.com/en/page/buy?nTag=Home-search&from=search-input&url=https%3A%2F%2Fworld.taobao.com%2Fitem%2F583127994911.htm%3Fspm%3Da21wu.12321156-tw.0.0.1950638fD6ozSR
       
      HEATSINK WARNING: One of the unusual approaches the Onda B320-IPC (above) and the newer ASRock A320TM-ITX (below) both take is to dispense with the use of a typical AM4 CPU cooler layout in favour of supporting the existing cohort of thin LGA115X CPU coolers.
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      ASRock A320TM-ITX
      The first mainstream Thin Mini-ITX AM4 based motherboard
      Note: 2 x M.2 [M+A] and no PCI-E slot and uses an LGA-115X cooler
       
      Note: This motherboard allows the installation of 2 x 32GB SO-DIMMs allowing a massive 64GB of DRAM.   Unfortunately, there is no ECC memory support for DDR4 and instead only 2933/2667/2400/2133Mhz non-ECC, un-buffered memory is supported.

      This motherboard will likely be hard to purchase but fortunately is cost-effective and has been seen on Taobao for around  ¥470RMB/ $73USD / $100AUD(@Aug 2021).

      CHIPSET NOTE: An unusual approach to the ASRock X300TN-ITX (below) is to dispense with the use of a typical AM4 chipset southbridge.  The southbridge chipset can be seen on the previous A320TM-ITX in the top left of the above image. This approach reduces cost and power consumption but also potentially some features. This compromise is like a new feature in itself.
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      ASRock X300TM-ITX
      The first to add USB-C to a Thin Mini-ITX AM4 based motherboard
      but which dispenses with the southbridge chipset
      (Note: Only 1 x SATA III port, 2 x M.2 [M+A] and
      no PCI-E slot and uses an LGA-115X cooler)
       
      ASRock X300TM-ITX is the second mainstream Thin Mini-ITX AM4 based motherboard from ASRock.  Unfortunately, again there is no ECC memory support for DDR4 and instead only 3200/2933/2667/2400/2133Mhz non-ECC, un-buffered memory is supported.

      This motherboard will likely be hard to purchase but fortunately is cost-effective and has been seen on Taobao for around  ¥580RMB / $90USD / $120AUD(@Aug 2021).

      I ordered an ASRock X300TM-ITX (Aug 2021) from the Taobao site and surprisingly the motherboard was only about 60% of the cost of the previous early pricing for the A320TM-ITX I got in 2020. Then
       later in Dec 2021, I bought a Ryzen 7 5700G CPU which made for a blazingly fast SFF PC.




      GA-A520I-DASH
      Not strictly a Thin Mini-ITX AM4 based motherboard but a sort of crossover
      Note: it does NOT use the standard heatsink (as per Intel's Thin Mini-ITX guidelines) i.e. an LGA-115X heatsink, but the typical AM4 heatsink.
       
      GA-A520I-DASH (linked above) is essentially a thinner version of its thicker cousin the GA-A520i-AC https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/A520I-AC-rev-1x#kf
      Both are Ryzen Series 4000 G-series (Renior) Mini-ITX motherboards that use the newer A520 chipset. The -DASH variant is unique from its cousin for a few other reasons a.) it uses 2 x SODIMM memory slots; b.) it generally utilises less height on the rear I/O (except for the 2nd network port i.e. not absolutely necessary) so it likely to fit (if somewhat reluctantly*) in some/most Thin Mini-ITX cases; c.) it is also unusual in that it has a 19V DC input for use with an external power brick. Then as you might expect it still uses the standard AM4 heatsink mount and unusually the SODIMM sockets are vertical. However, these can theoretically be loaded with rare very low-profile (VLP) SODIMMs (refer to the link below) and an equally hard to find very low-profile AM4 heatsink. Gigabyte, fortunately, appears to support ECC memory for DDR4 3200/2933/2667/2400/2133Mhz in both ECC and non-ECC, un-buffered SODIMMs.

      *To fit a typical Thin Mini-ITX case may require minor modifications.

      Very low-profile ECC SO-DIMM: https://www.innodisk.com/en/products/dram-module/Embedded/embedded_vlp_ddr4_sodimm
      AM4 typical low-profile(39mm) heatsink: https://noctua.at/en/nh-l9a-am4
      AM4 very low-profile(30mm) heatsink: http://www.idcooling.com/Product/detail/id/156/name/IS-30
      Warning: You will not get a typical Thin Mini-ITX 
      25mm I/O plate to support this configuration in the motherboard box. So you will either have to do without or a self-manufactured one (e.g. 3D print).

      Best of all you can optionally connect a GPU to the x16 slot if you wanted to build a small but more powerful gaming configuration.
      It also has a TPM2.0 controller (which may be important for future Windows 11 support).

      UPDATE April 2022 - DEAD IN THE WATER - Still no sign of this motherboard available anywhere after 8 months.  It is hard to believe this is so despite Gigabyte recently updating the BIOS's of the old AM4 motherboards to support the latest Zen 3 CPUs right up to the R9-5950X (assuming TDP power can be handled).  According to the Gigabyte support site the BIOS for this impossible to find motherboard still only supports the 4 series PRO GPUs specifically only the R7 PRO 4750G, R7 PRO 4750GER5 PRO 4650GR5 PRO 4650GER3 PRO 4350GE and R3 PRO 4350G which I assume means it is not seriously being supported other than possibly for OEM.

      Note: AM4 support for ECC (error-correcting code) memory support/use depends on both the motherboard chipset (and BIOS) being a high-end one and also the CPU(APU) being a high-end one (usually a PRO edition) supporting it.  Refer to this link for a table showing compatibility https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1045186.

      Thick Mini-ITX AM4
      (i.e. approximately double thin in t
      hickness)

      With AMD's competitive comeback with Ryzen (AM4) there are a growing number of AM4 full-height Mini-ITX motherboards targeted primarily at cost-effective gaming as follows:
       
      You may possibly find more AM4 Mini-ITX boards here: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#f=8
      Note: Some of these motherboards are also ECC memory compatible (but usually not certified as such, and often only support single-bit error recovery).
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      Asus - ROG STRIX X370-I GAMING Mini ITX AM4
      Note: The X470 is very similar as is the X570 but with a larger heatsink

      AMD's Ryzen 3000 series AM4 new X570 Chipset in a Mini-ITX (Thick)

      With Ryzen 3000s (AM4) there are as yet no known thin B350/X370/X470/X570 mini-ITX motherboards (Feb 2020) only the two A320 boards shown above.  However, there are a growing number of AM4 full-height Mini-ITX motherboards which are primarily targeted at PC gaming platforms as follows:
      X570_I_AORUS_PRO_WIFI_1200x1200_leftjpg
      Gigabyte - X570-I-AORUS-PRO-WIFI
       
      Note: Unfortunately the X570 chipset needs a FAN to cool the 11W PCIe V4 chipset

      AMD's Ryzen Embedded boards (an alternative).

      AMD has also recently released a Ryzen based embedded CPU+GPU with a few motherboards being released that utilise it.
      https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-v1000-apu-mini-itx-motherboard,37873.html


      Comments

      Anonymous said…
      MiTAC makes a range of Thin Mini-ITX motherboards with up to Q370 chipset (PH12FEI, upcoming PH14FEI). They are available retail via CarTFT.
      Rod Dines said…
      @Anonymous - Many thanks for the info!
      Chris said…
      Hey Rod, here is another manufacturer of Thin-ITX mainboards of industrial kind:

      https://buy.advantech.eu/Boards-Cards/Industrial-grade-Motherboards-Mini-ITX-Motherboards/AEU_15764s.products.htm

      or:
      https://www.advantech.com/products/industrial-motherboards/sub_1-2jkkho
      Unknown said…
      Onda B320IPC can be bought on taobao.com. I myself am from europe, and have bought one. Although it is a bit of a quest and shipping time is about a month.
      Rod Dines said…
      @Chris Thanks for the info. I have now added a few relevant advantech.com boards.
      Boby said…
      Hello Rod Rines, trying to gather some info on a similar build with the IMB 1215:
      https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/asrock-thin-mini-itx-with-pcie-x16-connection.7233/page-2
      Did you found any way to undervolt on that board? Thanks and cool blog
      Unknown said…
      You link to the wrong page for ASRock IMB-X1222-WV (W480E)
      Rod Dines said…
      @Unknown - Thanks, I fixed the link to the ASRock IMB-X1222-WV (W480E) page!
      Tazgrump said…
      https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/CSM/Pro-H610T-D4-CSM/

      ASUS PRO H610T D4-CSM HINTED FOR RELEASE!
      Tazgrump said…
      ASUS PRO H610T D4-CSM is now available in the US, I purchased one before the release in the US by Asus USA from an online retailer in Germany. The serial number on the motherboard is specific to the EU country and cannot be RMA'd in the US and the reverse is also true. Using an I5 12500T for my test build and an HDplex 160 watt 19volt AC to DC power supply board would not post with the power delivery. Also true with HDplex 400 watt 19 volt DC. I have checked both power supplies and they do output 19V with a multimeter. Frustrated I pulled my ASUS PRIME H510T2 CSM as a test for my 19v 400 watts 2 pin Molex power supply and this board posted and ran Win 10 pro. So I got out my 19v test brick for testing Thin ITX boards, and BTW I have Asus H310T's, H410T's one H510T, and 2 H610T's. The 610T posted and I installed Win 11 pro from the brick but not fem either HDplex the 160 or the 400. Note: the tests were not done with the brick attached as it is one or the other but not both. I ordered the 2nd one from Asus USA direct and does the same thing, only runs from the laptop brick. I tried to RMA the German ordered one and was stopped at the RMA number as they will not service items purchased out of the US. I contacted the Online German supplier and was sent return shipping labels but since the US board is also dysfunctional there is no point in returning yet. I am wondering if there is a board power jumper I am missing if Asus wired the 19V pinouts backward, or if the 19V Molex connection has been disabled which would make my build worthless as I do want to use a brick, I would be more apt to a 19V linear PS for Ausiphile Audio use than a LapTop Brick anyone have any thoughts on the 2pin 19V Molex power input not working?
      Tazgrump said…
      Note H610T or 410 or 310T do not provide a visual location for their 19Volt pinouts either on the board or in their user manuals but Atx standard has 19V power always on the release clip side. HDPlex follows the spec. All my Thin itx boards Asrock/and Asus (AMD and Intel) all follow ATX pinout spec except the dysfunctional Asus H610T which I cannot verify and am not brave enough to reverse the 19v PS pinouts to prove I can brick a working board, that may be defectively built as Asus does not build their boards in-house.
      Tazgrump said…
      I have verified that the Asus Pro H610T D4 CSM is in fact incorrectly manufactured and is wired backward at the Molex 19V input, The DC jack and the Molex connector are connected in parallel so if a power brick is used you can test which pin is the positive pin(s) with a multimeter. This will work also for 4-pin 19-volt input boards by other manufacturers. Every Thin ITX board I have tested till the Asus 610T has followed the ATX convention and had the positive 19v Molex input on the lock side of the Molex. When I put the positive test probe in the lock side of the Molex and the negative in the remaining pin they showed -19V, yes, negative 19 volts. Exchanging the probe locations the voltage showed +19v. I dipinned my HDPlex 400 and switched the 19-volt input leads to the backward configuration from the ATX spec and the board posted to the OS. Asus Support never supplied me with the positive pin location from my support ticket as requested and I notified them of this QC error after I verified it. MY EU board bought from Germany is backward as well. I do not think Asus US support even knew where the positive pin location was till I notified them.
      James said…
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      Rod Dines said…
      @Tazgrump Many thanks for the info on the Asus Pro H610 D4 CSM I am sure there will be a few people who wished they read this info first and others who luckily did. Regards, Rod.
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      Unow22 said…
      Sub Solution powdered not natural pee kit is one of the most popular products in the market at the moment. It is made of 11 chemical compounds, including urea, uric acid, creatinine, and others. - gooodprgn. It also includes a patent heat activator formula that quickly raises the temperature of the urine to match the body's temperature. And there is my reflection about based on this input I recommend buy this one product, and I will reveal my thoughts. Clear Choice is one of the best not natural pee brands out there. Their urine comes in liquid form, making it easy to use. It's difficult to sneak fake pee inside the testing facility, but this product will help you carry it without anyone noticing. To raise the temperature of the urine, use the heat pad that comes with the kit. Quick Luck Premium not natural pee Kit has the term “premium” in its name because of a reason. It comes in liquid form, thus saving you from the hassle of mixing.
      Unow22 said…
      They may be in the room, but you’ll be behind a screen, or even in a separate area or room. Supervised drag testinging is where someone is in the room with you. - okeyprog. But usually, they aren’t directly looking at you when you submit the sample. And there is my reflection about based on this input I recommend buy this one product, and I will reveal my thoughts. However, it’s almost impossible to submit facks uriiina in this situation unless you use very unreliable prosthetic attachment or dispensing tube. Observed drag testinging is exactly that. Usually only done when you fail the previous test, or for law enforcement purposes, someone will be in the room with you and looking straight at you as you pee. The most complex sync urins brands will not only pass the dipstick validity checks, but will also pass a similar immunoassay level analysis as well.
      Tazgrump said…
      Rod,
      Could you add a section for a generalized description of using the LDVS port and what screens are available and compatible for builders who might want to explore a ground-up all-in-one, or using the thin board to build a custom laptop although cooling becomes an issue... Supposedly there is a way, bios-dependent, to limit the TDP at the bios level essentially creating an Intel T processor from a higher TDP processor with the factory limit. I do not know if AMD bios will allow this.
      Zadet said…
      One suggestion, is there any standard Thin-ITX AMT motherboard with dual Ethernet ports and one of them is 2.5Gbps, if so, please specifically list the 2.5Gbps feature, it is a significant difference.
      Anonymous said…
      @Tazgrump I'm in the process of making a laptop from a Mitac PH12CMI (in fact I am posting this message from it).

      The 40-pin LVDS port is part of the original thin mini-ITX spec, however in practice each motherboard may implement it slightly differently, so you have to check the port specifications for your motherboard. The connector may differ from the spec, and in the case of the PH12CMI, the pinout is even a bit different to the spec; power isn't supplied via the LVDS connector, so I have to route it from the inverter header elsewhere on the board, which involves customising an off-the-shelf LVDS cable. Still, the connected display (an Innolux N173HGE-L21) is working fine like this, and probably almost any 40-pin LVDS display can be substituted with another, though you should check the pinout of the display connector. In fact laptop screen replacements are usually shipped interchangeably, which makes it difficult to get a specific model. By the way, eDP ports are rare on boards, and cables are even rarer, so I gave up on using that.

      For CPU cooling I got an old Intel HTS1155LP. Probably about as good as it gets while keeping within the IO shield thickness.

      For power limits, you're right that it's partly a BIOS thing. I'm using an i3 10100. The PH12CMI BIOS isn't great for options, and it has no fan RPM control either (other boards do). For now I've just disabled turbo boost, which cuts max frequency from 4300 to 3700 MHz, and max (stress) power draw from 76 to 59 W; the idle draw being 15 W. Still, when you get into your operating system (I'm using Ubuntu Linux), you can use applications to control CPU frequency and fan RPMs as you desire - just that performance starts to take serious hits when you cut power consumption too much, which can end up increasing computation time and ultimately increasing total power consumption in the long run for a given workload.

      Power concerns influence battery design, and that's a work in progress for me.

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